An Open Letter to Harvey Keh

Dear Harvey,

I read with interest your letter of despair which has spread throughout Philippine cyberspace. I am sure many of us sympathize with your frustration. Certainly, the 7 events you mentioned may give rise to you emigrating from the Philippines. Those events should certainly give pause to all of us who bleed for our motherland.

But I must disagree with you on your decision to leave. Instead, let me be the first to tell that the seven events you stated should convinced you all the more to fight the good fight!

Unlike you, I am now 44 years old, 17 years older than you. Unlike you who at 27 years old was already an achiever, I was just about to finish my studies at the Ateneo Law School and pondering how it meant to be “a man for others” in the legal profession.

At 27, I have not sent anyone to school nor set up a foundation for indigent but deserving students because I was one myself – a recipient of the hard work that my parents went through to put me and my siblings to school. At 27, I have nothing equal to your accomplishments.

But there lies the difference between us – I was a martial law baby exposed to the abuses of power and naked display of arrogance by the Marcos regime, I was a martial law baby inspired by the towering figures of the Opposition who stood up for 14 years against the tyrannical rule of a dictator and whose evil days seemed to have no end in sight and I was a martial law baby who stood shoulder to shoulder with hundreds and thousands of Filipinos in that hallowed avenue during 3 glorious days in February of 1986 which gave me and the rest of the world what it meant to hope.

Yes, Mr. Keh, we must hang on to hope.

The Marcos years were darker in every respect compared to this administration which seemed to have forgotten that People Power enthroned her where she is now.

The Marcos years were more unforgiving to those who crossed the dictator although the ruthless, ungrateful recipients of People Power in this administration are trying to, and quite successfully, I might add, approximate the vile venom of vengeance against those who opposed them.

The Marcos years were more sinister than the seven events you enumerated which will compel you and a host of others to leave our country for peace and stability.

But in all these, I never lost hope because I have seen and witnessed more sinister days than what we have now. Perhaps, owing to the fact that you were only 6 or 7 years old when the EDSA Revolution took place and perhaps, you only heard from your siblings or forebears what it was like living in fear under the Marcos regime that you feel that all your current efforts are laid to waste if the Filipinos put to reality your seven deadly fears. Trust me when I say this and I do so without disparage, the seven events are nothing compared to the fearful 14 dark years of Martial Law.

Believe me, Mr. Keh, your seven deadly fears should not cause you to lose hope. Rather, it should all the more convince you of the necessity of improving and expanding your service to the education sector. That what you are doing now is to plant seeds to the Filipinos you cross paths with and in the true meaning of AHON, the foundation you set up, tide them over from darkness to light, from pessimism to optimism and from despair to hope.

And even as we speak, there will certainly be Filipinos, like the towering opposition figures during the Marcos regime, who will not give in to bribery, who will not bow down to greed and avarice and who will not cower in fear. For every Filipino who you know can be bought, there will be two or three Filipinos who will stand up for what is right and just. And for every Filipino who will give up on the country because of the hopeless political situation, there will be Filipinos like Leah Navarro who came back because she loves this country too damn much to be left to political opportunists who care for nothing but enrich themselves.

What do we need to do?

As you rightly put it, “Manindigan naman tayong lahat para sa ating Kinabukasan at para sa Kapakanan ng ating Bayan!”. And beyond these midterm elections, we need to shrug off our shroud of apathy and indifference. Getting involved is not only getting the right people to the Senate and to Congress. Getting involved means getting indignant at the evil that the administration does and acting on that indignation. Because to continue allowing ourselves to wallow in indifference, we will find ourselves in a situation similar to the time Marcos run roughshod over the country. Some people say we are already in that conundrum. But even then, people who sacrificed their comforts fighting a dictatorship stuck to this country, never gave up and never left.

Have hope, Harvey, and do not leave. Remember the last thing that came out of Pandora’s box was Hope. It may well be our only weapon against the coming night.

Edwin Lacierda

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Comments

  1. OPP says:

    Amen Ed.

  2. reb zuljah says:

    ed…

    one powerful piece of reading…

    but to be fair to harvey, the certain education of the people growing up now is very disheartening…imagine if your father’s before you experience the marcos dictatorship, and yet you see the same exactly retardant of human rights…

    to people of the younger generation, wut begins happening (and i live in the nj, usa) is that it is an overbearing burden…a stress that we can’t shrug off…that many start to stay away from and hatred of the whole system…imagine the same exact wrongs that constantino wrote in the past, occur with frequency and arrogance in OUR TIME…and our offspring’s time…

    but you are absolutely correct edwin, when you mention that it is not conducive, in fact it is counterproductive, when the younger generation are staying stagnant…when the minds wander to new and sophistication that richer folks display…brainwashed by history books with countless mistakes…
    and most specially countless corruption and arrogance that legacies of politician gloat and parade…

    we are not idealist..we can’t let everything fall at its place and step over our forefather’s sweat and blood…the people of the younger generation can do something….and believe me edwin, i am my trying my damn hardest here in the nyc area (on the exact farthest point from the motherland)…we are making strides here…

    so a message to both of you…keep ya heads up…”For every Filipino who you know can be bought, there will be two or three Filipinos who will stand up for what is right and just.”

    both of you should be congratulated on excellent writing and ponderous writing…

    reb zuljah

  3. Mel Pagkatipunan says:

    I am also a Martial Law baby, and at 44 now I am the same age as Edwin Lacierda. Although I live very much near Manila during those years, my family nor I have not experienced any of those abuses of power and naked display of arrogance by the Marcos regime as Mr. Lacierda claimed. We were about 9, 10, 11 or so during those Martial Law years. Were you aware then that our country is under martial law rule?What abuses have you experienced during those years? Was it about being prevented in roaming the streets from 12 am till 6 am and if you get caught you will surely sleep in a prison cell and do some community works the next morning? Was it about the limited and controlled tv programs and all we can watch is Marcos announcing his presidential decrees? Was it about those unwarranted arrests to those who carry illegal guns?

    I am not a Marcos loyalist nor a Marcos supporter, but we have to accept it also that our country does have significant developments during those Martial Law years. We have to accept the fact that it is far more safer to roam our streets before than today. We have to accept that before when a stranger robs you, he just simply take your wallet and money then run away, but now you’re a dead-man walking even if you don’t fight back, worst if you’re a female and you’ll have greater chance of being raped. We have to accept that we have benefitted a lot with the Green Revolution projects, the “Tapat Mo, Linis Mo” initiative, the Rural Service for government employees, and all those projects and programs that calls for the participation of greater masses. We have to accept that our country is much cleaner before than today, simply because everybody is responsible.

    I hate to tell you Edwin, but though we are the same age, I see things opposite your perspective. Our country is far more peaceful during the martial law years than today. Our two-party system is far more simpler than the multi-party system we have now. Our government leaders and lawmakers then are well qualified and are honed by their exemplary experieces in political field. The selection of our leaders now are far more lax in terms of being qualified for the position or not. We have good leaders then than today.

    Think again Mr. Lacierda–was it really 14 dark years during the marcos regime?

    As for Mr. Harvey Keh– you’re a coward when you leave the country. Or should I tell…”yeah you have every right to leave. Perhaps you’re not really a Filipino. Your name is far from being a Filipino name.”.

  4. OPP says:

    Mel Pagkatipunan, is that really your last name? You should think about changing it. You’ve got it all wrong from the start. Martial law ended in ’81, you would’ve been in your late teens then. Just because you and your family were unaffected by it, thousands of people were. By the time he left office the Philippines was USD$26 B in debt, who do you think picks up that tab genius. There were no alternative parties during the Martial Law era, it was just Marcos. When he took over, the Phillipines had one of the richest and healtiest economies in East Asia, by the time he left we were one of the poorest.

    He declared Martial Law after Enrile’s supposed attack, which Enrile later revealed was a hoax. He did it to stay in power because he could no longer run. He did take away the elites properties and powers but gave it to his family and friends, contrary to his Bagong Lipunan mission. He put multiple people in jail under false charges and in some cases no charges at all. Those were the lucky ones, a lot more were executed, “salvage”.

    I can go on and on and I’m sure many can. You need to take your *** back in school or pick up a book. Go around and start interviewing people from back in the day. Thats like denying the holocaust. Chill with that.

  5. Mel Pagkatipunan says:

    OOP

    Firstly, I hope you haven’t stepped beyond the limits of what we call “respect”, by advising me to change my last name. Though I commented on Mr. Harvey Keh’s name, I have not ask him to change his as what you have told me now. You ough to be ashamed of yourself hiding you true identity by your penname “OOP”, and not like me, Mr. Edwin Lacierda and Reb Zuljah–at least we have the guts to reveal our names. I
    just can’t imagine why you made such comments.

    Anyhow, I was 9 yrs old when martial law was declared in 1972, hence, I was just a small boy then. I regret that you and your family might be one of those thousands who have suffered during the martial law years. I put my sentiments to those who were affected by this regime. I regret that we have incurred about USD$26 B when Marcos left for which I am sure we are still experiencing the “effect” of the Marcos regime.

    Nonetheless, in all these undeniable negative outcome of the martial law, we have to accept also that there are considerable progress during those years. As I see to it, our country is more peaceful and orderly before than today. Marcos may have jailed those
    who opposed him and some have been executed also. But look what is happening to our country now. Has there been a big difference between now and then? There has been numerous summary execution also of those who oppose our present government. Many have been also jailed under false charges. Many were charged also for libel for critizing those people in our government. We may be paying until now those
    big debts we have when Marcos left, but I am sure not all the $26B in debt were pocketed by the Marcoses, but most were put in the development of our country. We never fully recover from this debt simply because we are still under the continuous cycle of borrowing more and rampant corruption in the government.

    We have before two-party system when Marcos assumed presidency in 1965, though was banned during the martial law. But come to think of it— far more simpler than today.

    I did went around and interviewed people and found out that out of 100% only 20% or 30% were affected by the bad side of the martial law. Do some calculations of the Philippine population back then and you will find that the “thousands” you mentioned is only a handful of the general population back then.

    And I take from your comment— for me I can go on and on also, and I’m pretty much sure many can. I cannot tell you to go back to school or pick up a book as you told me (again another insult from you), for I am sure you are a talented person and I have no brains like yours. But I advise you to pray and recollect. Your heart seemed to be full of hatred and anguish, that you see only the negative side of the Marcos era, and have not acknowledged that somehow, there are also positive sides on it. You may be looking only at the positive side of today, but somehow blind on what’s really happening now in our country.

    The holocaust in far more different event and cannot be equated to this issue.

    Goodday OPP

  6. OPP says:

    Pagkatipunan. I just feel that your last name has such great heritage and meaning that its tainted by your remarks. I will not reveal my name for fear of reprisal. I am a part of an organization that would not take my statements lightly. My surname is also a slave name, issued by the Spanish gov. during their tenure. You are right that I do have some anger in me as everyone should. There’s a more heated debate about Kris on another thread than here, don’t you see a problem with that?
    Martial law started in ’72, you’re correct, but did not end until ’81 formally. It did start when you were very young and ended when you were an adult. One does not have to go to school to pick up a book and learn. There are countless ways of doing so. One must also remember that schools are often times used by the government to falsify information or to soften, cover up, or brainwash people and to gain their allegiance.
    You are positively right, there was less crime commited by the citizens. Less murders, rapes, plunders. But who was making up for the shortage of crime, the ones that were sworn in to protect you. Government officials, the AFP, and the then PNP. Ramos and Enrile was part of the Rolex 12 until their defection after Marcos started losing steam in ’81. There may have been proportionately a small amount of people that were affected for a number of reasons. Number one was intimidation, everyone knew what Marcos was capable of and what he did. Secondly you have state sponsored media that sends misinformation, instills loyalty, and fabricates stories about the communists and Moros to instill fear. Proportionately, not everyone is going to have sound opinions, a good number is easily convinced. They do not realize the true ills of the country and if they do, the majority doesn’t want to risk their families. The martyrs were few proportionately but martyrs seldom make up a large percentage of a population. At EDSA we saw people finally stand up. There was little or no paying people to protest, this time it was real. You may have asked people but you may have asked the wrong ones. Again, not everyone was equally affected. Just because people dont think they were wrong doesn’t mean they weren’t. Ask the scholars of the day. Just go visit any university and ask a professor that may have thought or was in school at the time and they’ll tell you stories about their experiences or those that they have lost. Out of that $26 B how much do you think he put into the infrastructure and economy? They developed select locations and showcased it for the international community to see. You may have been a part of this community and may have been so priviledge and not even known it. During those times, crime was low, but we had a lot less freedom. It was a fascist government with martial law declared on false pretense and illegally so. Although there may be certain instances, I can not think of any time that a drawn out Martial Law era was proven to be just. The holocaust was just an amplification. The fact is you seem to have greatly downplayed close to the point of denying the atrocities made during and after the Martial Law era.

  7. Dodo says:

    Very well said OPP

  8. OPP says:

    OPP SHALL HENCEFORTH BE KNOWN AS DATU PUTI. Thank you.

  9. Chief says:

    isnt it very famous for being a suka..just breaking the ice peeps..nice thread though very informative and the same time amusing

  10. Datu Puti says:

    Also one of the 10 Datus from Borneo, which the sauces are named after.

  11. Datu Puti says:

    Domis:

    The Philippine Government is a Democratic Republic. It is a body in which we elect our representatives who will then democratically vote for us. A lot of bad choices were made, this I do not deny, but I do not feel it is hopeless. The people, as poor a choice as they collectively make, pick their representatives, as someone mentioned, it is equally the responsibility of the gov and the people, but ultimately the people have the power. For you to say that it is hopeless, a system elected by the people for the people, is to say that all those that are able to vote to be hopeless. This equates the our Kababayans being hopeless and our family of ethnic groups.

    Please follow the thread, the whole morality issue arose from when we got side tracked with “kalahi” being racist and the differentiation between Americans, South Africans, and our Kababayans.

    In response to “Life is not fair…”, for you to know these things and to accept it as it is, well that denies you the right to complain once you or your people are wronged.

    You are wrong in thinking that you can only control your future. Collectively, we can make our government and land a better place.

    I know things are bad and have been for a time. I know that it can get tiring. But do not preach that all is hopeless. Not everyone will have the opportunity to leave so don’t rob them of the little hope one may have. Seeing how you are on line, using a computer, conversing in English, I don’t think you have it as most, but I could very well be wrong.

    There were a lot of “hopeless” causes in the world. The whole legend around Braveheart, Apartheid in S. Africa, Ghandis struggle for equality in S. Africa and equality and freedom for India. Jose Rizal, Gomburza, Lapu Lapu, Andres Bonifacio, Apolinario Mabini, Ninoy Aquino etc. All these men had a chance to lead a normal peaceful life, some better than others, half a chance to migrate and leave all their troubles behind, but they didn’t. I’m not asking anyone to become a Martyr but remember this: You can not run away from your problems, as long as you are or believe yourself to be “Filipino” our homelands problems will be yours. Migrating will help you and maybe your family but you always remember that you are essentially living in exile.

  12. atorogi says:

    Mel, if you’re going to make Harvey’s surname as an issue, I guess it gives me the right to say are Filipinos Filipinos? Heck majority have SPANISH surnames, not the indigenous surnames like Pangilinan, Panganiban, Lakandula.

  13. Lemuel Tolentino says:

    Carry on Mel, OPP is just another COWARD as Harvey Keh….afraid to reveal his name for fear of reprisal???

    Kung wala siyang masabing tunay na pangalan niya, baka putok siya sa buho, hehehe. Bala wala rin siyang mukhang maiharap sa atin.

    Mas mabuti pa noong panahon ni Marcos kaysa ngayon. Mga bulag kayo!

  14. Lemuel Tolentino says:

    Carry on Mel, OPP is just another COWARD as Harvey Keh….afraid to reveal his name for fear of reprisal???

    Kung wala siyang masabing tunay na pangalan niya, baka putok siya sa buho, hehehe. Baka wala rin siyang mukhang maiharap sa atin.

    Mas mabuti pa noong panahon ni Marcos kaysa ngayon. Mga bulag kayo!

  15. Cesar B Cueto says:

    Natakot si OOP na ilahad ang tunay na pangalan kasi baka balikan siya ni Mel. Kaya ngayon Datu Puti na raw siya kasi Nangangasim ang mukha pag nababanggit si Marcos.

    Sa lahat ng mga kababayan ko- sabi nga ni Edwin Lacierda – “we must hang on to hope”. Maaari ngang mas masahol pa ang buhay ng Filipino noong panahon ni Marcos, pero papalapit na tayo roon at di maglalaon ay mauulit ang panahong yaon.

    Saludo ako kay OOP, este DATU PUTI pala, matalino. Ingat kayo, alang pangalan ‘yan, baka ituro kayo niyan.

  16. reb zuljah says:

    while you guys argue, perhaps fruitlessly…

    may i interject with a notion that both of you possess the power of knowledge and experience the younger generation craves…

    but as always your politics, be it your names and your “education”, get in a way of your true message…

    the study of history is the study of the inevitable…unfortunately the circumstance that has befallen the people of philippines of present day is far worse than the fruitless arguement that you all carry…

    and to look back at your argument, i find distaste…

    not only are we really looking at the issue that philippines is facing today…but your arguing about names and ancient lore such as datu puti, to enhance your arguments…

    would it be more productive for us to unite in the current state of our nation…to truly understand that “yes” it was bad in the marcos era, but the state of our homeland is far worst today…where subliminal killings and “anti-terrorism” has resurged itself to optimum benevolence that the nation of the youth and the nation of the old just accepts it…

    i’m sorry to be irritant, but our legacy is not shown through what we argue and debated, however miniscule….our legacy lies in our understanding of today’s daily occurances the repulses the blood spilled by our ancestors of the day…

    argue all you want guys…but as of today UN has deemed philippines a grave human rights violator, so has the US department of state, and so are the people who are vying for freedom…

    internationally, i am in solidarity with the cause of the problem, and the search for a methodology for which upon implementation the true blood of our ancestors are appreciated, and not taken advantage of by usury based on names and spirit of the katipunan…

    Reb_el Zuljah

    WuN

  17. Mel Pagkatipunan says:

    Enough said… Reb_el Zuljah is right. We’re here on this discussion not to argue about our names or about our own views, but rather, we’re here to discuss and hopefully reach to a point where we will all agree on what we should do to save our country from getting worst than ever.

    I, definitely, would not leave the country just because of the 7 reasons raised by Mr. Harvey Keh. We must hang on to our hopes as Mr. Edwin Lacierda advised. And we must forget and forgive those who have wronged us so we can move forward.

    Select the most credible and honest candidate in the coming election. If none on your mind, then vote no one.

  18. Ignacio Javier says:

    I cannot believe that we’re making surnames an issue here just because of the carelessness of some slippery tongues! Sometimes I do not know what happened to the elders: they throw mud at each other for senseless reasons.

    Concerning the opinions raised by Mr. Keh and Mr. Lacierda, let me make this clear. The letter of Mr. Keh was meant to be read by his friends, those who understand his language and mode of thinking. The term “leave the Philippines” is merely a form of hyperbole to drive a point. Can’t we give him a poetic license for that?

    I know that Mr. Keh is not that stupid to surrender the fight, being an Atenean. Ateneans have been famous throughout Philippine History for standing up to fight for their rights, the best being Jose Rizal and the latest being Edgar Jopson.

    At the same time, Mr. Lacierda’s point of remaining to fight is true. I applaud it.

    The bickering that happened in this blog was raised by hecklers who misinterpreted their letters and even went below the belt.

    Forgive me if at my age of 16 I dared to dabble with this topic. I am graduating from high school and intend to enter the Ateneo. By the way, I also came from a family of cocheros back then.

    May everyone be at peace.

  19. Munti says:

    Ignacio Javier, A youth like you is much needed now and in the future of our land.
    Mabuhay ka at ipagpatuloy ang constructive na pananaw!!

  20. Vicente Pagkatipunan says:

    Para kay OOP, sumala ka kaibigan. Huwag na huwag mong pakikialamanan ang apelyido ng may apelyido. Sagrado ang bawat pangalan ng isang tao. Pakiusap lang, huwag mong pupulaan.

    Mga katoto, pagpasensyahan niyo na at makisali ako at ipagtanggol si Mel. I don’t know Mel but I’m very sure na kamag-anak ko siya.

    Mr. OOP, magpakilala ka kung lalake kang tunay. Yung isyu lang na tinatalakay ang dapat mong panghimasukan. Huwag ka ng makikialam sa apelyido namin. Ipinagmamalaki namin ito. Palagay ko, ikaw ang may masagwang apelyido. Eh ayaw mong ibunyag eh.

    Pasensiya na mga kasama at hindi ko lang matiis ang asal nitong si poo-poo, este OOP.

    Vicente Pagkatipunan nga pala, galing din po ng Qatar at Security Officer doon. 51 na po ako.

  21. Datu Puti says:

    Hindi mo yata binasa ng mabuti ang pagtatalo namin, Vicente. Kung titingnan mo ang huling linya ng katuwidan ni Mel, kanyang sinabing “…”yeah you have every right to leave. Perhaps you’re not really a Filipino. Your name is far from being a Filipino name.”.” Kinikilala kong marangal ang pangalan na iyan kaya’t sa kanyang pagsasabing ang pangaalipin ng mamamayang pilipino ng ibang pilipino ay insulto sa apellido na iyan.

  22. Mel Pagkatipunan says:

    Thank you Mr Vicente Pagkatipunan…Siguro nga magkamag-anak tayo. At ikinararangal ko ang ating apelyido.

    Para kay Datu Puti (Formerly OOP) — Hindi ko nilapastangan ang apelyido ni Harvey Keh. Kung iintindihin mo ang sinabi ko–“Your name is far from being a Filipino name”. Kung ang apelyido kaya ay Jones or Smith or Gunaserakan–‘di ba ito’y mga “far from being a Filipino name? Yung mga ganitong apelyido “foreigners” sa atin.

    Yung comment mo sa akin mo tungkol sa apelyido ko– TALAGANG INSULTO!!! Suggest mo pa sa akin na papalitan ko apelyido ko!!

    Matagal na akong tumigil sa pag-post ng comments ko dito kasi wala kang kwentang kausap. Gusto mo ikaw lang ang laging bida. Mahilig kang mamintas ng comments ng iba.

    Tama ka Mr. Vicente Pagkatipunan. Hindi tunay na lalaki yang si Datu Puti.

  23. Datu Puti says:

    Hindi nga lalake… Alien

  24. Datu Puti says:

    “Hindi tunay na lalake”

    Not only have you shown that you are racist, a counterrevolutionary, and a Marcos apologist, you have also shown your sexism. WTH does gender have to do with this? How do you propose you’d expect a woman to deal with it, ever heard of Gabriela Silang? Are you proposing that a Man is better able to reason than a woman? Please, I beg of you, explain.

    First off, Mel, I was one of the more vocal people that spoke out against Keh’s essay. Unlike you, I did not question his nationality based on his name (…”yeah you have every right to leave. Perhaps you’re not really a Filipino. Your name is far from being a Filipino name.”.
    ), I went after his arguments as I have with your arguments (save for that one line). Why have you not addressed those arguments and have gotten so hung up on the issue of your last name?

    Just because you weren’t affected by Marcos’ iron fist does not mean it was better. Address my arguments! After which, maybe you’ll understand the magnitude of your error and the counterrevolutionary tone. Your apology of Marcos’ authoritarian rule which Gat Bonifacio and the rest of the proleteriat fought and gave their lives to to fight against.

  25. Rollycb - california says:

    I AGREE WITH MEL MAGKATIPUNAN. This man Datu Puti thinks that he knows everything (although in reality he knows very little).

    Datu, my kababayans do not welcome you.. Get out of here hehehe.

  26. Datu Puti says:

    Rolly, how about you worry coming up with facts to support your arguments and refute mine before you start looking to make alliances. Only thing you rely on is your little holy book that you don’t even seem to understand.

    Decolonize the mind.

  27. reb_el z. says:

    ooooweee…jevus…i remember this article…is
    and unfortunately these comments..

    i don’t think anyone tries to suppress other people’s comments…in fact, the response garners more viewers and controversy…

    say what you want…all you want…take that liberty…but remember, when somebody doesn’t like what you have to say, that person also have the right to argue and debate it…

    as far as i’ve seen, datu puts in his argument with wellbacked thoughts that are both meaningful and resolute…if some of us are here are over 40, shouldn’t we debate as such…instead of going through passive aggression and only manage to write down putdowns that are baseless and desperately looking for alliances…common man! argue like you got some balls!

  28. cesar cueto says:

    ikaw ang racist datu puti. Pati apelyido pinakikialaman mo. Nandyan ka sa amerika nagpapanggap na filipino pero masahol ka pa sa isang makapili, nagkukubli sa tawag na datu puti. Mali si mel ikaw pala ang mukhang hindi filipino at hindi si harvey keh

  29. Gemo says:

    Datu Puti is also squeezing himself in America but he’s always bad comments about Americans. Shame on you-you a@&hole!!

  30. Datu Puti says:

    Not Americans, but American Government Policy. There is a difference. That’s like you telling me that I’m anti Filipino because I criticize GMA, ERAP, Marcos, etc. They are not representative of the people but of the government.

    If you’re so adamant about defending U.S. Policy, refute my claims. I’ll apologize and admit my error if you can prove me wrong.

    If speaking against exploitation and war is anti-american, then I am that. If speaking against the oppression of the third world or the workers of the world is anti-capitalist, este anti-american, then I am that.

    When I make comments, I back it up with facts, refute it or support your own. Don’t get mad because your life is centered around a fallacy that you cannot protect.

  31. Datu Puti says:

    Cesar, that was the whole point, he attacked Keh for having a chinese last name, I just returned the favor.

    I did not attack the last name itself, I would love to have been named such, what I can’t stand is the marring of the name by his insinuation that the ruling of an authoritarian tyrant is better than a democracy, no matter how flawed. What I cannot stand is his defense of the regime that disappeared thousands of people, held thousands of scholars and students as political prisoners, and tortured and killed well meaning opposition members and leaders.

    I picked the name Datu Puti not because I think it would give me more credibility, as Reb used to think, but because of its ambiguity. My name doesn’t mean jack, I put out enough supporting arguments and FACTS, not ones I get from ABS CBN or GMA, CNN or FOX but from unbiased sources. You can easily google any of the facts I cite and research it yourself. I don’t believe I’ve posted anything that was not easy to find or credible. I explained before why I prefer not to reveal myself but whatever, if you wan’t to keep that an issue and refuse to address the arguments then all I can say is it’s your loss. Keep taking that blue pill, keep yourselves chained up in Plato’s Cave.

  32. Cesar Cueto says:

    Yun na nga ang hirap sa iyo datu puti – hindi mo pala matanggap na para kay mel at maging sa akin ay kahit na papaano may nagawang kabutihan si marcos sa Pilipinas at hindi lahat ay kasamaan ng katulad ng sinasabi. Ikaw datu puti ang may problema. Malalim ang galit mo kay marcos at pati yung mga pumapanig sa kanya ay galit ka tinitira mo. Tanggapin mo na lang kung ano ang pananaw ng mga naniniwala kay marcos, hindi mo na mababago yon. Matuto kang magbigay datu puti. Lahat tayo dito ay tama dahil may kanya-kanya tayong paniniwala.

  33. Cesar Cueto says:

    Datu Puti– sa nabasa ko sa mga sinulat ni mel, hindi naman niya inatake si harvey sa apelyido niya. Kung uunawain nga naman ang sinabi niya – malayo sa pagiging Filipino ang apelyidong “Keh”. Sa palagay ko inatake mo si mel dahil sa paniniwala niya at pagpanig kay marcos. Ikaw ang sumisira sa magandang usapan dito dahil sa mga sarkastiko mong at mapanira mong komentaryo lalo ng sa mga taong salungat sa iyong paniniwala.

  34. Datu Puti says:

    Paliwanag mo sa akin kung bakit niya kinailangang gawing usapan ang pangalan ni Keh? Ninakaw niya ang pagkapilipino ni Keh at kanyang pananaw dahil sa kaniyang apellido, pinakita ko lang na ang gayong pagiisip ay maari ding ibalik sa kanya, batay sa kanyang mga katuwidan.

    Hindi ko sinabing walang mabuting nagawa si Marcos (ie. family planning), ngunit mas matimbang ang kasamaang nagawa niya sa ating bayan at kababayan. Hindi ko din sinasabing pulos kamaliaan ang ginagawa ni Gloria, hindi lang marangal ang kanyang ginagawa sa ating kababayan at sa lipunan. Si Hitler, Stalin, Mao, at mga pangulo ng Pilipinas at Amerika ay siguradong may mabuting nagawa at nagagawa, ngunit, karamihan sa kanilay mayroong ginawang ‘di marangal, ‘di nararapat at di dapat natin kalimutan.

    Tulad ng mga nagpabulaanan sa mga sinaad ni Keh, ‘di din ako sangayon na ang kababaya’y lumisan at kalimutin ng tuluyan ang ating mga kapatid. Naging maliwanag nitong mga nakalipas na araw na maraming may itinatanim na galit sa akin at sumusubaybay sa aking mga katuwidan at tiyak na alam ng mga itong isa lang ako sa ilang tao na masugid na nakipagtalo sa paglisan ng ating mga kababayan.

    Wala akong tinatanim na galit sa kanino mang tao, ‘di lang ako sangayon sa paniniwala at kilos ng madami at ito ang aking tinututulan. Hindi ako ang tipong nangangatuwidan na gamit lang ay aklat walang batayan o katibayan, hindi ko lang dinadaan sa panunumbat o pang aalipusta. Aking tiyak na ang kadamihan, kung hindi lahat, ng aking mga katuwidan na binibigkas ay mayroong batayan at ito’y madaling patunayan.

    Sa tingin mo ba’y aking babangitin ang kanyang pangalan kung ‘di niya muna binanggit at pinaslang ang pangalan ni Keh? Magbigay ka pa ng ibang halimbawa na akin itong ginawa?

  35. Gemo says:

    Mr Datu Puti kung sa palagay mo’y nilapastangan ni Mr Mel ang apelyido ni Mr Keh (which I also believe he did not) then leave it to Mr Keh para siya ang bumawi kay Mr Mel. You started this surname issue by directly insulting other’s surname. Accept it marami ka nang nakakaaway dito sa forum dahil sa pagka-arogante mo at pagkahambog.

    I agree with Rollycb – our kababayans dont need you here, so GET OUT!!!

  36. Datu Puti says:

    Hindi ko linapastangan ang kaniyang apellido, sinabi ko lang na, batas sa kaniyang katuwidan, nakakahamak sa pangalan at kahulugan ng katipunan.

    Alam kong madami akong kaaway dito at ‘di ko dinidibdib iyon o ginagamit na batayan sa aking pagkatao, wala akong pakialam sa tingin ninyo sa akin bilang isang tao.

    Kung sa pananaw mo ay mapagmataas ako, ‘di na mahalaga sa akin iyon. ‘Di ko din hangadin na ako’y ipagpuri o isiping mapagkumbaba. Ang pinahahatid ko lang ay katotohanan na hindi pa napagpabulaanan. Bakit hindi ito ang inyong subukang itaob salakayin?

    Hindi ako nandito upang pagaanin ang inyong damdamin o pagiisip. Hindi ako tatakbo para sa upuan sa pamahalaan kaya’t di ko kailangang magpakatanyag.

    Kadamihan sa ating paniniwala ay, gaya ng sabi ni Marx, isang gamot na pangpatulog sa mga mamamayan, sa masa; ang pananampalataya sa kathang isip na Bathala, telebisyon, etc.

    Patawadin ninyo ako sa aking pagkabulgar ngunit ‘di ko na mapigilan ang sarili ko sa paghiling na:

    sa mga ayaw bumitaw sa paksang ito, at hindi nagbabago ang mga katuwidan, tumigil na kayo sa pagputak ninyo, wala naman saysay ang inyong mga sinasabi. Parang kausap ko’y mga manok na ‘di nakaiintindi o batang ‘di madunong makipagtalo ng maayos. Sa kawalan ninyo ng pagasang itanggol ang inyong mga isinasaad, ayaw na ninyong bitawan ang paksang ito. Kahit anong sabihin ko, mukhang bingi kayo sa katuwidan. Kung kaya ko man isalarawan ang mga nangyayari, magbubulagbulagan pa din kayo. Ano pa nga ba ang magiging saysay ng inyong mga buhay kung magugunaw lang ang mga paniniwalang inyong isinasabisig.

    ‘Di ko kailangang ipaglaban ang mga paniniwala ko sa mga makikitid ang isip. Kausapin ninyo ako ‘pag mayroon na kayong saligan.

  37. Datu Puti says:

    Brother Reb, they got this saying right, ’bout preaching to the choir. It seems like we doing the opposite here, like Marx preaching to Rockerfeller or Darwin preaching to the Pope.

    Guess you really can’t wake up a person that doesn’t know he’s sleeping.

  38. Gemo says:

    Datu Puti– Hayaan mo ang bawat isa sa kanilang paniniwala. Tama na yung minsan mong naibahagi ang iyong kaalaman. Kung makinig ok, pero kung hindi – dapat lang na irespeto mo ang pananaw ng bawat isa sa amin dito. Ang nangyayari–makasarili ka. Gusto mong makinig sa iyo lahat at sundin ang pananaw mo.

    Kung may mga taong hindi naapktuhan sa rehimen ni Marcos, hayaan mo sila. Hindi yung tutuligsain mo sila at yuyurakan ang dangal, sisiraan ang pagkatao dahil lang sa pumanig sila (kami) sa taong kaaway mo (o ng iba).

    Ang iyong pagpupumilit sa mga taong ayaw maki-ayon sa iyong pananaw at nagpapahiwatig lang na hindi lahat ay nakikinig sa iyo.

    Oo, marami kang kaaway dito kasi makasarili ka, Datu Puti. Inuulit ko–masyado mong niyuyurakan ang pagkatao ng mga taong sumasalungat sa pananaw mo.

  39. Gemo says:

    Oo nga Datu Puti–makikitid ang mga pag-iisip namin, hindi kami kasing dunong mo. Pero kami’y mga tao na malawak ang pang-unawa. Ang tinitingnan namin ay saloobin ng iba at hindi yung mga “facts” na ni-research mo lang sa Google at pilit na isinisiksik sa pag-iisip ng iba.

  40. Mel Pagkatipunan says:

    Whoa!! Discussions here are already getting out of control. Thank you guys for defending me. We already made our point…I hope this issue would stop now.

  41. Anonymous says:

    Nakakatawa talaga. This exchange of words started in 2007. It’s 3 years ago at nakakaaliw pa rin. Noon wala pang Facebook, ngayuon meron na. Ituloy natin sa Facebook ang talakayan. Kaya lang, baka patay na si Datu Puti. Namatay sa kakakayod sa Amerika. Baka gusto na niyang magpakilala.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Vic Pagkatipunan nga po pala. Mel please look for my account in Facebook.

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